Barak Obama Campaign Promises
91How did president Obama complete his first year as president in the
opinion of the people? Let us look back to Obama, the candidate and
the president who now occupies the Whitehouse. For some answers.
During the 2008 presidential election campaign for the presidency,
candidate Obama promised hope and change will be coming to
Washington. The reform legislation that Obama and the majority
democrat party are pushing for have confirmed his intentions of
changing the economic systems in American government.
In November 2008 Barak Obama was elected president by the people
to serve all the people in governing our great nation. Obama was
elected either because of his color, because of his political parties
affiliation or because of his promised to bring change to Washington.
Each of these suggested reasons helped him to become the nations
44th president and the first black president in US history.
Let us look back to what candidate Obama pledged to the American
people if elected. President Barak Obama pledged:
1.To bring back the jobs lost in 2007 and 2008. In 2009 the nations
unemployment went from 7% in 2008 to 10%( in some areas
17% ). Obama’s administration bailed out the auto industry,
banking industry, saved the union workforce and even helped the
unions get ownership in the companies by forcing the creditors to
lose their financial investments in the companies. The Obama
administration has increased the size of government by 10%, added
more union jobs and commissions. Government unemployment
stands at 3% and government employees and congress did get a raise.
in 2009 while the deficit increased.
2.To fix the economic problems by passing the $787 billion Tarp
bill (congress passed the bill without reading or debating the bill
as required by constitutional rules.), promised that unemployment
would not exceed 8% and shovel ready jobs were available to jump
start the economy. As of today approximately 60% of Tarp has not
been spent and unemployment remains at 10%. Recently the CBO
projected Tarp will need $85 billion more added to the $787 billion
bill. One should note that all of the above is borrowed money adding
to the nations skyrocketing debt.
3.To have fiscal responsibility and control spending, Barak Obama
promised to go line for line and strike out pork in the Tarp bill. The
president signed the Tarp bill without cutting any pork out of the bill.
On wed.1/27/10 in the state of the union speech Obama stated he
would put a freeze on spending. Congress on 1/29/10 passed
legislation to raise the national debt by another $1.9 billion, the
second increase in 60 days, raising the debt ceiling to$14.5 trillion.
4.To rid Washington of lobbyist and special interest groups. Presently
in his administration Barak Obama has at least 30 lobbyist, some
appointments are know as czars. Obama has been meeting with
union officials ( special interest )at the white house on a regular basis.
5.To surround himself with experienced and capable people, like tax
cheaters, Marxist, communist and socialist. known as czars. These
employees were not background investigated as required by the FBI.
The question remains as to why the procedure was exempted. .
6.To have an open transparent government and to allow C-Span to
televise the debates and congressional meetings. Folks it didn’t
happen, C-Span was denied access (that is called censorship.) The
president and the democrats met behind closed doors denying the
minority party’s participation in the negotiations. By the way the
minority party was elected by the people to represent the people.
Essentially the people were locked out and ignored.
7 To close Gitmo last year. The president sent some prisoners to
Bermuda, a terrific propaganda move. More could be said but for now
a continuing story to be told. Gitmo is still open.
8.To end the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the president and his advisers
are talking in the whitehouse. To be continued .
9.To give 95% of the people a tax break and not to tax anyone below
$250,000, by the way according to some officials the ceiling has
dropped down to $100,000 with a possibility to $85,000 due to lack of
money coming into the treasury.
Check this out, president Obama and congress will tax the rich.
If 2 or 3% are the rich and they pay 50% of federal taxes, according to
Obama 50% of the nation don’t pay federal taxes, I wonder who will be
paying the taxes. ( the middle class )?FUZZY MATH?
10.To not allow no bid contracts in his administration. A major news
source reported that Obama approved a $25 million no bid contract to a
donor of his campaign. The contract recently was cancelled after being
exposed by the media..
11. To reduce the deficit by 50% in his first term. The fact is that the
Obama administration has triple the deficit in his first year in office.
The proposed budget for 2011($3.85 trillion )given to congress will
be the largest ever in our history if passed by congress.
The above information you will not see in the bias press or reported
on ABC,CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, or other liberal news medias.
Watch C-Span or Fox News, they report and broadcast the actual
uncensored news
The presidents rating is ‘’F’’ in his first year ?
In summary, let us be fair when president Obama talks about what
his administration and congress was left with after the past
administration. The simple facts are that then senator Obama and
the present democrat party took control of congress in January
2007 and 2008 with a lame duck president George W. Bush.
Surely it is irresponsible to blame the Bush administration for all
the present problems without noting that the democrat majority
controlled congress in 2007 and 2008. President Obama and the
democrats should be accepting their political parties share of the
blame for their part in the recession. President Obama and the
democrat super majority had full control of the economy in 2009 .
The president has yet to fulfill many of his election promises of
which unemployment remains the highest priority. One should note
that no president can spend any money without the approval of
Congress.
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Well said, and true.
Barrack Obama can do the well said, but he doesn't do the follow through.
Thanks
OpinionDuck
the latest was president Obama closing the summit on 2/25/10 that he (president of the USA )moderated on the Obama health care reform bill.Obama basically told the republicans ( the representatives of the people )that he will get the legislation done without them if need be.
without jobs there will not be people paying for healthcare hence premiums will be going up for those lucky enough to have an employer paying the employee's premiums.
obama and congress still don't get it, we need jobs first and no more spending increasing the deficit. dumb dumbs,idiots and arrogant political brain dead carpetbaggers.
Thanks bro you are on track!
RD... think about those initials. Really Dumb? Hmm... I think you know what I'm saying. Over and over no matter how much Proof you put in front of the Obama supporters... they just choose to live in their own pathetic world of Denial.
Tell them that 34,000 troops were in Afghanistan when Obama took office and now there are 100,000 and point to Obama's promise to end the war and these Obama supporters become dumbfounded. But they still won't accept what a total lying POS he is.
In basketball they say you can't coach "quickness". And in the real world you can't make non-intelligent people intelligent.
We live is a country half full of people who do not have the brain power to understand even simple logic... even when the FACTS are clearly presented.
Indeed..I have heard from everybody the same questions...As I do not pay particular attention to politics, even though I do vote my conscience when I am inside the booth, I do not know of any politician's promises.
One cannot fathom, from an intellectual point of view, why he is doing what he is doing. Thank you.
I did hear from one person why he is keen on the immigration law as it appears to me not a priority at this moment...the people whom he wishes to legalize right now will vote for him during his re-election.
Where are you getting your information? Whenever I watch Fox News they make statements they can't back up. The campaign promises of any candidate have to be adjusted once they get the full brunt of what's happening and if you check out the facts you will see that what you are doing is using information from a biased media company without any backed up facts. As far as the deficit goes, I have found where Obama pledged to cut the deficit in half in 5 years, but not in 2, yet FoxNews and Republican Presidential hopefuls keep quoting it over and over. Please reference the articles where you are getting your information. If you simply quote what Newt told you and believed it, are you a patriot or a puppet? Political parties on all sides are using mindless followers like you to spread irrelevant, inaccurate, and absurd information. This article should not be taken seriously unless citations for your "facts" are given. Just scrolled through your post again...nope no citations in sight. Moving on...
Jon
You have put together some great DATA! But you left out some of the FACTS! Your data is really good for the Obama Adminstration to use when they sit down to access! but when you consider the limited control the PRESIDENT has and the POWER the people has..your DATA does not fill the gap. Politcal data will never explain the lack of QUALIFED CANDIDATES, low voter turn out, allowance of ooover paid execs. THOSE PROMISES are POLITICAL PLANKS, FIRE FOR THE TROOPS..just projections...COULD HE LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES? YES! BUT WHO CAN DO BETTER? WHO CAN WE TURN TOO?... I really liked the data it, caused me to pause!
Certainly familiar refrains Jon, but a good compilation of the Conservative position, nevertheless. Obviously, I can't respond to all of your points in one comment, but let me start with #1 and #2 on your list, since they were related.
1. I am surprised you failed to note that 1) when Obama took office at the end of January, the Bush policies and Conservative Recession had driven up unemployment from a low of 4.4% in May 2007 to 7.8% in Jan 2009 (not 2008), when Bush left office. The real rise, however, began in May 2008, when unemployment jumped from 5% to an incredible, at that time, 5.4%. From that point on, unemployment rose an average of .3% per month after only rising .0375% per month in the previous same time period, a ten-fold increase! Now enter Obama who promised to turn-things around in his "first term" or so, not his first "year", as Conservatives try to make everyone believe. You would agree, wouldn't you Jon, that unemployment was accelerating on Feb 1, 2009? If not, please go back and study your data.
Now, let me ask you ... have you every tried to stop a boulder from rolling down a steep hill while your opponents are trying to cut the legs out from under you? Well, the momentum of unemployment caused by the Great Conservative recession of 2008 was a very large boulder indeed and further, "no president in the history of the United States" has stopped the increase in unemployment, in similar circumstances, as did President Obama. To stop it a little over 10% in eight months is nothing short of miraculous; your hero, President Reagan, couldn't do it. I am not sure why you didn't mention any of that.
I will leave the auto bail-out which saved the country from a depression (another point you forgot) to separate comment.
2. TARP was signed into law by President Bush on October 3, 2008, not President Obama. It was for $700 billion, which Obama later reduced by $475 billion. You failed to mention in your follow comments, I believe, that TARP has actually made the taxpayer money, let alone not cost them a dime, which, I admit, wasn't thought to have a chance in hell of ever happening.
What I believe you are referring to is President Obama's "stimulus" bill signed into law February 17, 2009 with implementation beginning March 2009. One of the results was the stock market recovery in May 2009, another missing fact. The $787 billion was planned to be expended out over the next three of four years with immidiate relief going to the States, the taxpayers and the unemployed. Because they knew it would take time to spin-up those "shovel-ready" jobs, the construction stimulus wasn't planned to start until late 2009 and on into 2010 and 2011. (a few free factoids)
Jon, I am surprised you failed to mention that President Obama "never" PROMISED that he would stop unemployment from exceeding 8%. I challange you to find one quote from him, or any one in his administration or senior campaign staff that made such a "promise"; it simply does not exist. Your research should have shown that the 8% number was a "highly" caveated "estimate" from his economic team in very early January 2009, before, I believe, they even knew unemployment had sky-rocketed from 6.8% in Nov 2008 to 7.3% in Dec 2008! Your research would have also shown their "estimate" of 8% was based on 3rd Qtr, 2008 data, rather than 4th Qtr, which wasn't available until late January 2009. As we all know, the full force of the recession wasn't evident until January 2009. So to keep flinging that easily disproven old myth around is a bit disceptive, wouldn't you say?
1. Yes, you are correct, the recession did start "only" 11 months after Democrats gained a majority in Congress (gee, I wonder why that happened?), but they did not have control as we see today, the Conservatives in the Senate can stop any legislation they choose to; they can do it today, and the could do it then ... but didn't (gee, I wonder why?).
In any case, as anyone knows who as even a small understanding on how an economy works knows, it takes years for this kind of near depression to develop. By the time Democrats gained a modicum of control in Congress, the recession was a foregone conclussion.
Unless they moved the election date up several months, Bush was hardly a "lame-duck" president.
I presume you are counting in your two million, the 1.3 million lost in Feb and Mar 2009, less than 60-days after he took the oath of office, are you implying Obama was God and could work miracles, or should those job losses be more properly attributed to Bush?
Yes, Tarp, which Bush signed, was passed by a Democratic Congress who held a bare majority, it was a clearly bi-partisan vote. As to the stimulas, it was good that the Democrats had a supermajority as without it, this country would still be in a depression because of Conservative recalcitrance to mitigate their past poor performance.
Please show me the statements by Obama, or his administration, that the Stimulus was to be 100% spent immediately. I doubt that you can because they simply don't exist. On the other hand, I can provide multiple examples where Obama stated flatly, this was going to take a lot of time.
There is no question you are correct in your statement, Jon, but, by "only" saying that your statement becomes misleading. In my opinion the statement, to be accurate, should be,
"The Republican and Democrat Senators can't stop anything UNLESS SENATOR REID ALLOWS A/THE BILLS on the floor, 'and once there, the Conservatives in the Senate can stop any legislation they choose to; they can do it today, and the could do it then .'
Of course Democrats, when in the minority, have the same option, if the Conservatives don't have a supermajority, however, when they were in the miniority in the past, they used that power very sparingly. Even in the future it is problamatic that they could do it anyway because the Democrats are more representative of the American public by containing a mix of conservatives through liberals in it and, in any case, there is no way Reid could exercise the dictatorial power that McConnell does over the Republicans, who are 98% conservative or very conservative.
I need to make a technical correction. "Budget Resolutions" are submitted and passed in the House and Senate and sets the topline for expendatures of various large segments of the government expense sheet. It is a "resolution" and NOT a law that is signed by the President. If Congress doesn't want to pass on, they don't have to. It is the "Appropriations" that end up being law, and Conrad as almost right, I didn't think the Budget Control Act lasted to 2015.
BTW, the projected deficit for 2013 is less than $800 billion.
You, and other conservatives, keep complaining about how long it is taking Obama to effect a recovery, and the cost to do so. What does your research show is the average recovery time of getting the ecomony and/or unemployment back to the levels prior to its beginning, say for the last 15 recessions/depressions the size of the 2008 one or bigger?
The problem Jon, those on the extreme, Left or Right, don't give a hang about FACTS; that is one characteristic on being extreme, after all.
QUESTION - Assuming you agree that the country was headed for a depression, as most conservative economists were predicting by Oct 2008, and you are one of the Conservatives who DO NOT believe a depression would be a good cleansing experience for the country, how much of the $5.4 trillion (I will use your figure, mine is lower), is a result of having to stop this country from going into a depression? --- wouldn't you agree that the remainder is a what should be fairly attributed to Obama?
FACT - unemployment was ACCELERATING past 7.8% when Obama took office
FACT - in previous recessions/depressions of the same size or worse, minimum unemployment ended up between 15% and 30% when the government did nothing
FACT - with TARP and the STIMULUS, 1) the stock market turned around two months after the stimulus was announced, 2) layoffs were reduced from 700,000 per month in February 2009 (which was an accelerating number) to around 300,000 per month by June 2009 to job gains by January 2010 (a historically quick recovery), 3) unemployment peaked at 10.1% instead of what is NORMALLY a much higher number.
FACT - The Conservatives have done everything in their power to thwart Obama from improving the economy.
FACT - Conservatives changed the dynamics of how the Senate works by requiring a super-majority for ANYTHING they don't like to be brought to the floor for a vote (it has always been historically true that the Majority leader has first crack at it so blaming Reid for that is disinginuous as ALL Majority Leaders do it.)
I do agree with you on one thing, America needs to decide, either bring back en mass, an all Conservative, super-majority Congress so that they can chuck the Constitution and reinstate the Articles of Conderation and we can return to the good-old-days of the 1800s, or kick out the Conservatives and elect Republicans and Democrats who understand how the governmental process is supposed to work to move this country forward again.
1. Let's start with their campaign motto "There is nothing more important than to make Obama a one-term president" (paraphrasing Senator McConnell's openning remarks)
2. Taking the use of the power to filibuster to UNHEARD of and unintended heights in order to block virtually ALL Democratic legislation; unless it became too politically destructive not to compromise at the last second.
3. Making our founding fathers who signed the Constitution turn over in their graves by taking the word "Compromise" purposefully out of the their vocabulary ... many in the Conservative/Tea Party ranks have stated they believe compromise is a BAD thing.
4. The massive, and largely false, propaganda wars against the successful Bush TARP and Obama stimulus programs.
5. The negative pall they have placed over America from all of this propaganda which, given the economy is largely driven by the mood of the country, has had the effect of dampening/impeding the recovery.
6. By the House NOT proposing more than two bills, both accepted by Democrats, that actually would have increased jobs rather than being neutral or decreased them in 2011, at least untll I stopped counting in November.
7. Shall I stop? I can go on you know.
Surprise, surprise, Jon, I absolutely agree with you about that hearing being a waste of time and money.
Good question, however, punt, I guess. All I have heard is that the Democrats will introduce legislation to make what AZ is doing explicitly illegal; somehow they think this, if passed, would get around the Court's objections.
However, I am beginning to wonder if the AZ bruhaha isn't much to do about nothing. I read this morning that, according to Homeland Security, the number of interceptions of illegals crossing the border as dropped from 1 million a year in 2005, to 250,000 in 2010 (or maybe 2011); and that after the huge build-up of border security that the federal government has done. That is a massive decrease that, to me, says Obama's effort (and Bush before him) is actually working.
What say you?
1. That assuming the courts found in AZ's favor.
2. Tha numbers weren't from an Obama campaign speech but from research, presumably, by whoever wrote the article I read. Since there is no other source for such numbers, and it is a simple demographic HS, both under the Bush administration and Obama administration would maintain, unless either the reporter of HS is flat out lying, then I take the numbers at face value. The only reason I would change my mind is if you can find an authoritative source who has access to such information that has different data.
3. I can't. George Bush still won't release it, lol.
4. yes, you may, I have a friend in California that makes you look liberal, btw.
Sounds like my town.
I am not sure anybody along the political spectrum believes there isn't a right and wrong and that punishment is deserved when the law is broken (I wonder what punishment Thomas Jefferson should have received when he refused to deliver William Marbury his lawful commission to be Justice of the Peace in the D.C.?). The difference is the amount of gray that enters the picture as you move from Right to Left. For those on the far Right, the picture is pure black and white, no scales of gray whatsoever in terms of whether a law was broken or the punishment deserved. For example, those on the Right would say that a car which crossed a street against a yellow light broke the law if the light turns red an instant before his rear bumber clears the other side of the street, those on the left wouldn't and those on the Right would put a man in jail for the maximum term if he stole a loaf of bread to feed his family while those on the Left would simply give him probation.
In a real life example, those in the center and left in Congress wanted to help starving and destitute farmers in central Texas during the drought and long, double-dip depression of 1893 by passing bill authorizing $25,000 grants. President Grover Cleveland, a Bourbon Democrat (the Conervatives of the day), vetoed it by claiming the federal government had no business helping its citizenry out of destitute times. That, is the difference between the Right and the Left.
By the way, is there any position you and Rush Limbaugh disagree on?
Actually, given the Conservatives pledge NOT to let him keep ANY of his promises, I think he has done a fine job, much better than Bush, for sure, who destroyed this country. Also, consider that where Congress was needed to fulfill any of his promises, he didn't have dictatorial power over its Democratic members, a situation the founders approve of, like the Conservatives have over their members, which is probably making the founders turn over in their graves. Further, he only had the help of a favorable Congress for two years until the Conservatives came in and brought Congress to a standstill. Even with that, Obama has, in only three years, kept 45%, with another 29% still in the works and 13% being stalled by the Conservatives.
Given the depth of depression this ecomonmy was headed toward in Feb 2009, it is a miracle and a result of his $1 trillion, Conservative caused, stimulus that the economy began to recover as early as July, not March, of 2009. Without the stimulus and TARP, both of which wouldn't have been needed if the Conservatives knew how to run an economy, we might, based on historical standards, just now be starting the recovery ... that is the reality of the situation, not your hyperbole.
BTW, I am curious why you keep rehashing these big numbers or $700 billion and $1,000 trillion. Did you expect a $1000 stimulus would fix the mess Bush and the Conservatives got us into? Of coarse those are huge numbers, they had to be in order to address the monstrous catastrophy the Bush administration visited upon America. While the $700 billion was the right number (only $400 - 500 billion was actually used and all of it has been paid back, with interest, I think, so even USING that number in your argument contradicts your point), the $1,000 trillion wasn't enough, most economists agree now. The original number of $787 billion was based on 3rd Qtr, 2008 data, before the total disaster was known. Economists think Obama needed to add another $800 billion but, as you well know, that was never going to fly. Also, most economists agree that if Conservatives had been a positive, or even a neutral force, rather than the highly negative and derisive force they truly are, the economy would be in much better shape than it is. In other words if the Conservatives had "pulled" with Obama instead of "pushing" against him, we might be seeing 5% growth and 6% unemployment today and not what we have. It actually surprises me Obama has been able to achieve the modest economic success he has, given the obstinant refusal of the Conservatives to help Americans.
But then, helping individual Americans isn't in the Conservative philosophy is it? To Conservatives, "Provide for the general Welfare" has nothing to do with the citezenry of America.
To tell the truth, I don't believe a word of what either side says, they all lie, or at least greatly exagerate. All their words do is give me something to look at, if it peaks my interest. I just look at what my research shows, and that is what I report (unless, of course, it is a matter of principle and cannot be researched, but only reasoned through). That should make debate simple; all anyone needs to do to prove me wrong, is present the data or logic to back up their claim.
Believe it or not, I have been known to change my opinion once I dig into the facts of the matter and when I do, I report that as well.
I think both are usefull, depending on context.
I looked at your Big Oil blog and considered the words you tagged on the end "... want to tax them..." Would you consider that a distortion? In fact, the Democrats don't want to "tax" them at all, meaning add on new taxes that weren't ever there before, instead, they want to remove what has become a "tax give-away", one of the causes of the national deficit and debt. From my point of view, removing a "subsidy", something I thought conservatives hated, is not a tax hike, it is simply ending a program they feel is no longer needed.
Now, if you want to argue, as some have, that the "tax give-away" or subsidy is still somehow needed by a company whose Net Profit after taxes is $43 billion, that is a different story altogether and doesn't fall in the realm of distortion.
I then looked at a few of things claimed in the blog you offered.
Claim: Net Profit of around 8%; Exxon's 2011 Net Profit, after taxes was 9%, so close, but his graph that he provides stops there, it doesn't continue on down to say the retail food industry which is normally in the 3% range, or my industry where I find myself at around 5%. (Isn't that Deception by ommission?)
Claim: Since 1981, the Industry paid out more in Taxes than [Net] Profit; Exxon's 20011 Net Profit was $42 billion and taxes were $31 billion, so, may not be true any more.
Claim: The blogger says oil companies have invested more than $25 billion to drill for shale oil in the US in 2011, with such investment creating 20,000+ jobs since 2008. Exxon, invests between $-10 billion (I am not sure how they managed to go negative in 2007, but that is what their balance sheet shows) to $70 billion in 2009; it looks like Exxon's normal annual investment, however is around $20 - 25 billion with $10 - 12 billion being offset in depreciation deductions. Now, I applaud the oil industry for investing $25 billion in America in 2011, but the blogger once again distorts his message by omitting "which is x% of the total they invested world-wide" from his statement. He was trying to make it seem like Big Oil was doing America a huge favor when, in fact, it might be just a tiny one.
As to your other link, the Weekly Standard starts of Distorting their Distoriong article by saying:
"Last night, two Democratic senators helped block a motion to debate and vote on the president's jobs bill. That hasn't stopped Barack Obama from arguing that it was Republicans in the Senate WHO ARE SOLEY responsible for holding up his bill's movement."
They are trying to chatise Obama for lying to the public because two conservative Democrats (a party who encompasses a wide spectrum of political beliefs) joined all, or most of the conservative Republicans (who almost always, with one exception every so often, vote in lock-step with what ever their Minority Leader says). Well, in fact, Obama DIDN'T lie, the Weekly Standard is. They went on to report, to back up their claim, that Obama said:
"... a Republican minority got together as a group to block ..."
Do you see the word "soley" in there, or any other word like it? No you don't. In fact, even if the two conservative Democratic Senators Had voted with their party, the Republicans would have still accomplished their goal of preventing Obama from doing good for America.
The American Standard not only distorted, they lied.
hmmmm, how do get a "half-truth" when the assertion is Obama said "solely" and he actually said "the Republican minority got together as a group to block ...". That is quite different than saying something like, "100% of the Republican minority voted to block ... and received no help from Democrats or Independents." Now, in the latter case, Obama is saying "soley".
What surprises me about that chart is that even in the best of recent times, Clinton's Presidency, participation rate only gets to 67%. By comparison, it is 64% today, down from 66% when Bush left office but at which time, the rate was already plummeting because the effects of the Conservative recession were just beginning to visit itself on the American public. The question is, without Obama's actions, how much lower would that number be?
The fact that the Dems had finally regained control of Congress after losing it to the Conservatives 12 years earlier is mute in regards to the Great Conservative Recession of 2008. The downturn that became the near Depression was already under way when the Dems got control. Further, while they may have gained the majority as the recession began, it doesn't mean they were capable of doing anything about it, even if they had the time to effect the outcome, which they didn't. Remember, that is when the Conservatives began abusing the power of the filabuster in the Senate; in addition, the Conservatives held the Presidency.
No, the fact that Dems got control in 2007 means absolutely nothing, given they were not able to do anything to stop it from happening.
THEY WERE, however, able to help stop it from becoming a Depression because, without the Democratic majority, TARP, one of the underpinnings of mitigating what was happening, would likely have gone down in defeat if the Conservatives were still in control.
The 2008 Recession was totally a Conservative-sponsored downturn because, as I have clearly shown in another hub, that the Conservative economic philolophy, the Austrian School, simple doesn't work in the real world, it never has.
By the way, it WAS that supermajority that allowed the Obama stimulus to pass; without it, this country would still be in a depression, not recovering from the biggest recession since 1937. Do you honestly think that without that supermajority, the Conservatives wouldn't have abused the filabuster some more and blocked the stimulus in the Senate? You know they would have have because Conservatives believe a good depression is needed once in awhile to "cleanse" the National soul.
Jon, regarding the over=generalization you made about Obamacare taxing jobs out of existance; your source needs to get his facts correct. He said:
"In 2010, however, Congress, ravenous for revenues to fund Obamacare, included in the legislation a 2.3 percent tax on gross revenues -- which generally amounts to about a 15 percent tax on most manufacturers' profits -- from U.S. sales of medical devices beginning in 2013. This will be piled on top of the 35 percent federal corporate tax, and state and local taxes. The 2.3 percent tax will be a $20 billion blow to an industry that employs more than 400,000, and $20 billion is almost double the industry's annual investment in research and development."
The problem with his theory is the 2.3% EXCISE tax does not impact a company's bottom line, it is a tax on the product which is passed on to the consumer; your telephone bill has several of them in it was does what you pay for gas at the pump. That is why you haven't heard any of these companies squawking. This tax doesn't impact jobs one iota.
As to the pipeline, Conservatives continue to circumvent the truth and rational decision-making in order to demonize Obama.
FACT - OBAMA supports the Keystone pipeline in theory
FACT - The Mebraska Repulican governor was opposed to the route chosen through is state and their Republican legislature PASSED A LAW prohibiting the current route of the pipeline
FACT - Conservatives gave up their belief in State's Rights in their efforts to thwart the decision of the Nebraska government..
FACT - Pipelines can cause environmental disasters
FACT - Conservatives apparently don't care, as proven by their insistance of building the pipeline now, rather than waiting until a safer route is found and researched and approved in a rational manner.
FACT - When a safe route is found (apparently one has been) that satifies the Republicans in Nebraska and the State Department, Obama will give the go ahead.
FACT - Obama did give the go-ahead on part of the pipeline South of Nebraska.
FACT - the US will NOT see a decline in gas prices once the pipeline is complete and oil is flowing for almost ALL of it will be sold overseas.
Conservatives need to get their FACTS straight.
FACT -
Jon, you do understand that increasing the debt limit to pay bills already incurred is not the same thing as PAY-GO; instead, it is an entirely different issue where Conservatives, having already been burned by a lowering of our national credit rating because of their antics, want to do it again.
Budget negotiations are where you discuss things like PAY-GO, not brinksmanship over whether to default on our debt or not.
"budget" is a broad term and my meaning is all parts of the process that ends up as an appropriation sent to the President for signature. It doesn't just mean the physical document that is supposed, not required, to be passed every March or April. As I understand, the "budget" was set last year in the negotiations over the debt ceiling, a time where it shouldn't have been done. You and I both know that if Reid did put forward a budget, it would never be passed anyway, the Conservatives would filibuster it into non-existance, it would be a massive waste of time given the kind of no-compromise Republicans who are in the Senate; one might consider it fraud, waste, and abuse of government funds, lol.
As you know, all a budget does is set "not to exceed" limits, in broad terms, that the appropriators use as guidelines to come up with the final budget for any given fiscal year. It is the appropriation discussions where the fight ought to take place, not during the decision on whether to default on America's obligations or not.
You are quite wrong in saying businesses only have one choice when they are losing money - cut costs. In my business, I will try to raise revenues first rather than destroy peoples lives as my first choice. Doesn't that make more sense?
Of course the government is the largest employer in the country, they have the military to manage. Take DoD and other national security agencies out of the equation, then there are several companies bigger than the remaining federal government; Walmart, for example.
How much of that $9 billion is the same waste that Obamacare is trying to get rid of in Medicare and Medicaid; $5 billion is it? If you take the best run companies in America, you are going to find a minimum of 5% of their operating costs can be tied to waste and inefficiency; it is endimic and will always exist because perfection is impossible to obtain. So, even if the federal government was 99% efficient, there would still be $13 billion in waste.
Yes I did, sorry, but I didn't have a choice; it was causing a "duplicate link" error that upset Hubpages. If the error will not appear, I will repost it.
Actually, I think (not totally sure though) that this is their attempt to prevent abuse in using links. This isn't saying your duplicative link was abusive in any manner, which I don't think it is and is why I didn't "Deny" it in the first place, but others apparently have abused the privilige of posting multiple links to the same site. Consequently, their search engine identifies such cases and, in my case, put a skull and crossbone icon on my hub.
I would rather not have that icon on my hub, so I "Denied" the offending comment with the duplication in it. If you want to copy your post without the one duplicate link, you had the same one in another comment, I will be more than happy to "Undeny" it.
You are certainly right, I should have done that, my apologies.
It is interesting to note that Conservatives have simply stopped Obama from implementing his, so we will never know if it would have worked. The mechanics of the Ryan plan guarantee his will take several years to bear any fruit; there is nothing in the Ryan plan that immediately gets the economy to improve faster than it is already.
Two things,
1. Give me a few examples of bills that truly create jobs that DON't have a poison pill in them that Conservatives know the Dems can't accept without caving into their beliefs.
Now, I have't counted since Oct, but the House was NOWHERE near the number of "true" jobs bills they were claiming at that point in time. If fact, I enumerated all of the bills they had voted on in a hub dedicated to that topic.
However, there are plenty of examples of bills Obama/Reid put forward for a vote, and the Conservatives stopped virtually all of them via the filabuster. I think the last one was helping veterans obtain jobs.
Jon, actually, they were trying to follow the Pay-Go principle by bringing the taxes of the wealthy up to an historically reasonable level, one that was practical and actually worked before. But you are right, the Conservatives killed every one of Obama's jobs bills because they want to keep the economic inequity increasing within society, that was created with Reagan's tax increase on the poor and middle class to fund a larger tax increase on the wealthy, a concept the Conservatives had no problem with; the net effect was a tax increase over all, curious, isn't it. How do you justify Reagan increasing taxes for a SELECT GROUP of citizens while decreasing the taxes for another SELECT GROUP?
I am not sure I understand your history, unless your second paragraph is pure theory; 1) a President has never been impartial regarding what he wants Congress to pass, you know as well as I, that will never happen. 2) actually, I agree with your assessment of how Congress SHOULD be required, probably by a Constitutional amendment, to do. To go you one better, Speaker Bohner should be required to bring EVERY bill proposed by the Democrats be voted on and the same for Leader Reid. I also agree that the House should be required to vote on the transportation bill the bi-partisan Senate sent to it, something Bohner will not do. But again, that is theory and not how it is required to work today and neither Party will NEVER allow that process to ever become a reality. 3) Democrats and Republicans want to raise taxes in a reasonable fashion as well as cut spending, Conservatives ONLY want to cut spending, something that is simply not practical; it cannot and will not work and still have a viable government.
Yes, the House has passed bills where the Senate hasn't/won't bring up. How come you don't criticize the bills the Senate passed, with a bi-partisan vote, that Bohner won't allow to be debated in the House? I don't understand your lack of "what is good for the gander, is good for the goose" approach to this discussion.
I can never understand the Conservative mantra that the "present administration is running the economy into the ground"; it is totally counterintuitive to reality. Let's try to staighten this out by you answering a couple of questions:
1. Which administration drove the economy into the biggest recession since 1937?
2. Which adminsitration has,1) stopped the recession from becoming a derpression, 2) stopped 700,000 people from losing their jobs every month faster than any other president in history faced with a similarly sized recession, 3) has had positively growing econonmy for virtually every month he has been in office, granted some of that improvement was stopping the economy declining even more than it was going to, and 4) turned job losses into job growth in less than a year after he took office, again a record for any president faced with a similar problem?
Seems like you have nothing else to do then talk about what the prez is doing I think you need too cool down and stop saying things will be broke by a certain year it's like saying the world will end in 2012 or 2000 or every decade trends come and go by saying it will stay the same for 10 or 20 years is ridiculous
Your article, Jon, demonstrate exactly why America needs to throw the Conservatives out and replace them with either rational Republicans or Democrats. If that happens, then, while may go ahead and force the country back into a recession on Dec 31, 2012, a more pragmatic and "America First" Congress can begin repairing the ideologically-caused damage in Jan 2013.
I am hopefull, but not optimistic, that we can get back to the kind of Congress the signers of the Constitution had in mind, one that would compromise for the good of the country; like the one we had before 1994.












sheila b. Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago
Maybe you could tell us more about The Chicago Way!